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Tuskasi.com Interviews Black Sun Aeon Black Sun Aeon (01/2012) Part 2

Black Sun Aeon (01/2012) Part 2

PostDateIcon Saturday, 07 January 2012 23:38 | PDF Print E-mail
13 albums as a songwriter/band leader with 5 different acts in only 8 years – the creative output of Kouvola-based multi-instrumentalist Tuomas Saukkonen is quite a rare phenomenon these days. As passionate and restless as he always seemed to be as a songwriter, as difficult and dictatorial one might consider him  when it comes to being a bandleader. Tuomas wrote most music he ever recorded completely by himself and the list of Before The Dawn ex-members has 18 names on it already – after 6 albums. What might falsely be considered as a selfish dickhead is in fact a man who always stayed true to himself and his artistic vision – and besides, he's an easy-going, down-to-earth and talkative fellow as well.

PART II

 

HB: Back to the listening experience I do have with "Blacklight Deliverance". I like it also because a lot of my old heroes from the Finnish Metal scene have disappeared: Sentenced disbanded years ago, Charon followed them this summer, Sinamore haven't released anything in years, Entwine have kept a low profile, too. So listeners who're into Finnish MeloGoth now get these BSA songs with Mikko and Janica, and these parts feel comfortably familiar. You are connected to many people in the Metal scene in Finland and you know what's going on there. MeloGoth - the main Metal export a couple of years back – has more or less disappeared. Which Finnish bands are still going strong from your perspective, still untouched – the survivors of all these trend-waves that were coming and fading during the last years?

T: The main survivor of them all is definitely Amorphis. They had a really, really long career and they started to have a really bad downhill with the latest albums with Pasi (Koskinen, ex-vocalist, nowadays main man of Ajattara – HB) and with not very good gigs and tours they played. And then the comeback with Tomi (Joutsen, vocalist – hb) has been quite remarkable. And how much energy the band suddenly has – they're releasing an album almost every year, constantly touring. And you can see from that how much they suddenly enjoy. There's two levels when you're talking about surviving: Still making your living out of music and actually enjoying. Finding the same spark again that you had. I was talking about that quite a lot with Esa (Holopainen, lead guitarist of Amorphis – HB) when we were touring. That is something not so easy to happen nowadays, especially when you are an "old" band and you've seen and done everything. Where to find the motivation? There's not so much excitement anymore. You've toured the world a few times and even though they're having families they still have the same spark to the music. Even though they've been on a high level all the time, with a closer view they really had bad years. But I must admit I haven't been thinking about that issue at all.

But then again, when it comes to the music I am pretty much inside my own box. I'm not taking too much time thinking of others. I was younger than 20 when I started and now I'm over 30. So I know myself how it feels when you get a little bit tired. You have seen quite much and you have seen how badly the music business is doing nowadays and how difficult it is to get any money out of it. Even I have thought a few times: "What's the point? Why don't I just do something else? Why won't just keep one project, do only a few gigs a year, skip the touring and that kind of stuff?" Touring is a big financial issue. And since I'm not a party animal, I could possibly give away the touring... even though I like to play for the audience, to see different places and to meet the fans. But to quit making music – that would be impossible. It's like breathing. What should I do instead? Start painting? What would be there to fill that hole? That would be impossible, that would never happen. I could live without the gigs, but at this point I still want to do them. The thing is  when you are in a band for 15 years you get old during that time. You are a different man than you were when you started. The passion might still be there but it's a little bit different. When you have family, a regular work... you have certain responsibilities, not just for yourself. All the bands you mentioned that are gone now have been around for 10 years... Mikko has family now and he barely has time for Black Sun Aeon sometimes. That was also the reason for Sentenced why the quit, they just got really tired of everything. The music business wears people out. It's not easy to keep that workload and passion if you don't get enough back. And when you're not a teenager anymore it's even more difficult. People are dividing slowly into their own lives. It's a really boring answer, I know...

HB: But it's something the readers and the fans should be aware of.

T: Yeah. Many people don't realize that being in a band often doesn't really pay off. You wanna be with your friends and families, you want to do other stuff also. Not me yet, but I started to acknowledge that I'm going to have that lifestyle maybe myself at some point. 10 years, 13 albums... maybe I could do something else.

HB: Perfect that you're leading over to the next question already. I wanted to refer to the fact that you have been starting out in the Metal scene as a songwriter and band leader at a very early age. You've been 17 or 18... and now you're 31. One question that arises totally naturally: What's the secret of this inspirational overflow? Why do you never have any inspirational crises? Is it a gift or training?

T: Well, it's no training at least. I only touch the guitar when I check the strings and go on stage. I don't like to rehearse or play alone. But most probably when I go home I will write at least 2 or 3 songs. I don't enjoy to play for the sake of playing. I don't rehearse to become a good musician – I do it because I want to write something. And it's not a decision like: "Oh! Now it's 4 o'clock – writing time! Time to take a glass of red wine and put some candles on and record something." Not at all. It just happens. I can actually give you a good example: When I was 8 I took guitar lessons – the only lessons I have ever taken – and I had a really cool teacher. He just showed me basic chords and he wanted us to learn to play certain songs and after a few months he wanted to check how good we already were at that point. But learning those songs was really boring to me – because somebody had already made those songs. That was nothing exciting. Instead of learning a song, I presented my first own song. I think I knew 5 chords at that time and I put those in an order that was different to the one of the songs we were supposed to learn. It wasn't a real song, but I wanted to play that instead – because it was more interesting to try things on my own. And it developed from that. And it can even happen that it takes me 3 minutes to write a 6-minutes song. Of course training helps. I mean, I have written almost 140 songs, I have been trying a lot of instruments, so I have quite a big arsenal. And I always try to be as open-minded as possible. I always try to find new angles. The more I write the wider gets the spectrum I have, and the easier the writing-process in itself becomes.

HB: I find it very refreshing that you dislike to cover others' songs and that you want yourself to be in your music at all costs. This reminds me of something that Porcupine Tree leader Steven Wilson has said: The difference between an artist and an entertainer is that the artist always does the things he wants, that there's an urge to express himself. And nowadays it's so much about fame... when you think of all these casting shows like X-factor for instance. And Steven Wilson said that the participants in these shows have the artistic level of karaoke singers. So you're more the Wilson-type of guy.

T: This is also why I didn't do any speeches on stage before with Before The Dawn and why there's no communication in Black Sun Aeon concerts. I enjoy the possibility not to talk on stage because there I can draw the line. I don't feel like an entertainer at all (even though Tuomas reacted quite spontaneously and funnily towards shouting from the audience later the same night – HB). I just go on stage because I want to go there to play my own music. Of course a good gig comes when people enjoy what I'm playing. It would be foolish to book a tour and play only for myself in front of 0 people every night. At some point in the past I didn't feel that comfortable on stage sometimes. And it still happens sometimes when the mood is not right. Then I don't get the connection to the music and then I play only for the audience. And that's a feeling I don't like at all.

HB: A bit like a whore...

T: Yeah, that's the entertaining thing. And there's been a lot of gigs where I just stare at the setlist and think: "Only 5 more songs and then I can go off stage." That was also one of the reasons for the recent change of the line-up in Before The Dawn. I didn't feel proud of being on stage with that band anymore. If you don't feel like the band should be even here on stage and you're there in the front, in the middle (sighs). But now, with the new guys it's totally different. I've never enjoyed playing this much!
 
 
 
Hendrik Behnisch - 08.01.2012
Photos: Mike Sirén
 
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